"There is a nexus coming between electronic warfare and cyber," between traditional electronic jamming and countermeasures and new-fangled hacking, Cartwright concluded. "One knocks the door down and the other goes in and does the dirty work." The current turf wars between the electronic warfare and cybersecurity communities miss the vital point, he said. In the cyber realm, "we’ve been thinking 90 percent defense, 10 percent offense. That’s bass-ackwards for us," he said: We need to stand ready to seize the electromagnetic offensive.